United troops trying to take back Tripoli
TRIPOLI: Libya’s internationally-recognised prime minister said yesterday that military forces in the strife-torn country had united to try to recapture Tripoli and the second city Benghazi from Islamist militias.
Abdullah Al Thani also expressed his frustration over a lack of support from the international community, calling for foreign weapons and assistance in the fight against the Islamists.
“All military forces have been placed under army command to liberate Tripoli and Benghazi soon, inshallah (God willing),” Thani told AFP in a telephone interview from the eastern town of Al Baida.
Since a 2011 revolution which toppled Libya’s longtime leader Muammar Gaddafi, interim authorities have failed to establish a regular army and had to rely on state-backed militias.
Former rebels who fought against Gaddafi have formed powerful militias and seized control of large parts of turmoil-gripped Libya over the past three years.
On Wednesday, retired general Khalifa Haftar launched an operation against Islamist militias in the eastern city of Benghazi with the backing of army units and civilians who have taken up arms.
The operation is “under the control of the regular army and the control of the government and the parliament,” said Thani.
An AFP count based on hospital sources in the city put the death toll in Benghazi at 66 since Haftar’s offensive began, including eight killed yesterday and four who died in a suicide attack the previous day.
Haftar launched a first, unsuccessful campaign against Islamists in the city back in May but failed to muster support from the authorities who accused the Gaddafi-era general of trying to mount a coup.
Before this week’s assault, Haftar’s forces had been steadily beaten back to a final redoubt at Benghazi’s airport, which has come under attack by Islamists since mid-September.
Thani’s government and parliament, elected on June 25, have taken refuge in the country’s east to escape Fajr Libya, a mainly Islamist coalition which seized control of Tripoli at the end of August.
The fall of the capital followed a weeks-long battle with pro-government militias from the town of Zintan in western Libya.
Thani said the Zintan forces had also been placed under army command and joined regular units which aim to recapture the capital.
“All the forces have been placed under the command of the army to liberate Tripoli,” Thani said.
He branded Fajr Libya as “outlaws” who had set up an “illegitimate” parallel government and alleged the group was the armed wing of movements such the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist factions.
Unlike its predecessor, Libya’s new parliament is dominated by anti-Islamist lawmakers. AFP
False dawns and tattered dignity in Libya
Libya Dawn says it has liberated the Libyan capital and protected the country’s revolution, but a traumatised resident says their occupation is far from the vision of freedom glimpsed following the overthrow of Gaddafi
by: Hassan Morajea
Editors note: Lets see what this article is trying to say from the Misurati point of view and not from the Libyan people.
Fighters from the Islamist-aligned Libya Dawn militia which has seized control of Tripoli say they plan to use the capital as a base to spread their revolutionary movement across civil war-hit Libya. They are not in control as they would like to be. The Libyan Dawnshit militia are used to lying they take the motto from Hitler the bigger the lie, the more believable it is – and if you continue to say it maybe come true.
Libya Dawn, led by forces from the northwestern port city of Misrata, last week took Tripoli from the Zintan Brigades, so CALLED because they hail from the western mountain town of Zintan. The former have since focused on establishing control by setting up operation rooms and checkpoints in the south-west of the city. The former meaning the Zintan have sworn allegiance to the Honourable tribes and it’s not only setting up operation rooms and checkpoints in the south-west of the city, it’s all over the city. See what I mean by lying!
“I think that being in control of the capital gives us a good place to start sorting out the rest of Libya,” Mosbah Bla’au, who works in one such operations room, told Middle East Eye. If he was really in control the only thing that he is so cocky is that Ms Deborah Jones ambassador of the USA has recognised this terrorist group as the legitimate group of Libya and not taking in account the Honourable tribes military group.
Mosbah was bemused by a UN resolution last week that called for sanctions against those involved in the recent outbreak of violence, as well as an immediate ceasefire. Of course he was bemused the UN and NATO are the ones who put them in Libya.
“It is unclear what the UN means. What do they expect us to do if we come under attack? Stand and watch?”, he said. That would have been very easy for us, but you and your crew where so scared that you called upon Qatar, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the USA and asked for assistance, where they sent you some troops, arms and money to BRING CHAOS IN TRIPOLI.
Mosbah says his movement is dismayed at the international community’s reaction to the latest surge in violence because they see their struggle as a continuation of the revolt that overthrew Muammar Gaddafi in 2011. What revolt you idiot? The installed stooges from the CIA, MI6, MOSSAD, QATAR, SAUDI ARABIA AND TURKEY? Its been already confirmed by Jallil that Qaddafi had nothing to do with the KILLING OF DEMONSTRATORS, it was all carefully planned by all of you….
“The world supported us then, so why not now?” he asked. “We are fighting for the revolution so many of our sons died for. We will continue to defend it from anyone.” The world was manipulated, had it known the TRUTH they would have never supported you. What you are trying to install in Libya is another Caliphate to terrorize Europe and do the bidding of Israel.
The Zintan forces that Libya Dawn ousted from Tripoli are aligned with the rogue general Khalifa Haftar, who earlier this year launched an anti-Islamist offensive called “Operation Dignity” from his base in Benghazi in eastern Libya. Here is another lie, the Zintan forces are not aligned with Haftar but with the TRIBES which every journalist and western media are avoiding to talk or even print it in their newspapers.
Mosbah condemned air strikes that killed 24 Libya Dawn fighters on 18 August, which the US says was carried out by Egypt and the UAE. Some critics saw the strikes as a sign that Libya Dawn are gaining an upper hand over Haftar’s forces. Another Lie it was more than 24 killed the number is higher than a 100 men they lost. Which Critics Ms Deborah Jones? or Mr. McCain? please! Another lie: THERE ARE NO HAFTAR’S FORCES BUT THE TRIBE’S FORCES, Haftar’s forces are limited to Benghazi.
The battle for Tripoli is won, he said, but the war is not over as “the militias who controlled south-west Tripoli have fled to the south and the west of the city”. Why don’t you ask him today? Ask him what does he still controls? This Misurati piece of scum thinks he can control Tripoli, he has another think coming.
“They will be rallying and gathering strength, but our forces are ready for any counter-charge” he added. Yes they have to THANK – Qatar, Turkey and Saudi Arabia for that, otherwise we would have crushed them from their first attack.
Haftar’s forces are backed by some of the Libyan state’s special and air forces, as well as other tribal militias. His movement says its main aim is to rid Libya of Islamist militias such as Ansar al-Sharia – a militant group which has assassinated hundreds of Libyan army and police officers over the past two years and welcomed the Libyan Dawn operation when it came on the scene. This is a half lie, Haftar’s forces is backed only by the state’s special forces. The Honourable Tribes just do not bother him for now while he is clearing Islamist militias such Ansar al Sharia.
Ansar were also labeled a terrorist organization by the US government for their involvement in an attack on the US consulate in Benghazi in 2012 that killed ambassador Chris Stevens. This is not true by the accounts of an ex-CIA agent (I believe she has never left the agency). What I mean that Ansar Al Sharia has not been labeled as a Terrorist organisation by the US government otherwise they would have kidnapped the leader which his name is Faraj al-Shalabi instead of Ahmed Abu Khattala. The US government did something better they had Faraj al Shalabi killed because he knew too much about the Benghazigate. Here is the link for you to read… http://libyaagainstsuperpowermedia.org/2014/07/15/benghazigatethe-killing-of-al-qaeda-leader-faraj-al-shalabi-connected-to-the-killing-of-stevens/
Libya Dawn’s victory in Tripoli means that Misratan militias can roam freely in the capital for the first time since last November, when anti-militia protesters from Tripoli clashed with Misratan forces in the Gargour district near Gaddafi’s famous Bab al-Aziezia compound. They never stopped roaming the streets of Tripoli at night and kidnaping, robbing, raping all those goody staff that America foreign policy advocates for Democracy!
Protests that started peacefully ended with Misratan militias firing indiscriminately at the protesters, according to witnesses.
“They hit protesters and even people driving past who had nothing to do with the protest,” said Salah, a real estate lawyer who attended the protests. “Almost 50 people were killed.” The facts are over 70 dead and over 100 injured.
The Misratan militias were ousted from Tripoli and forced back to Misrata two days after the protest. This May, they returned after Zintan forces attacked the Islamist-dominated General National Council, then the country’s parliament, in support of Haftar. This is one of their biggest lie, the Zintan did not attack anyone, it’s the other way around, who ever wrote this article has not done their homework. There was a conference with all militias and were agreed on territories and other things which I can not reveal, after the agreement was signed including the Misurati militia they all left, but for reasons unknown the Zintan’s were on alert, which saved for a few days the international airport the same night the Misurati militia decided to attack the Zintan’s and to try to control the Int. Airport of Tripoli as it brought a lot of money into the country and the Misurati mafia wanted a piece of it. There explanation for attacking the airport was that Hafter had attacked in Benghazi the compound of Ansar Al Sharia so it was pay back time.
Four months later, Libya Dawn, which has ties to Ansar Sharia, but is viewed as less radical, says that the group has completely “liberated” the city from the Zintan Brigades. However, not all the city’s residents agree with that appraisal. When they say liberated they mean they have only the international airport of Tripoli which has been burned down and completely destroyed so there was no reason for the Zintan Brigade to stay there, mainly the Zintan brigade didn’t want to have the responsibility of collateral damage which would be dead civilians from these battles
“We are sick of militias ‘liberating’ us,” Salah said.
Salah said his life was now at risk because of his involvement in the demonstrations.
“I no longer have the will to live here in Libya. I want to leave,” he said as he looked at his young daughter playing on the couch next to her mother. “I want my family to be safe.”
Salah fought in the revolution that toppled dictator Muammar Gaddafi. Back then, the Zintan and Misrata forces played a prominent, joint role in what started as a fight for freedom. But the past three years have seen the two groups drift apart.
“I have friends and colleagues on both sides” said Salah. “But, what these militias are doing now is worse than anything I saw from Gaddafi’s forces in 2011.” Qaddafi didn’t do anything other than protect the Libyan civilians from these goons like Salah..
The Misrata militias have already started ransacking the city and are searching for anyone who might oppose them, with dozens arrested and the homes of anyone allied to Haftar or the Zintan Brigades torched. I wish it was only that they are doing, but Sallah is not telling the whole truth, they kidnap people for ransom, they rape and kill at will just for looking at them wrongly.
Salah points to a burnt-out building he says was destroyed by Misrata militias.
“It was the home of a man from Zintan who had nothing to do with the fighting,” said Salah from his car. Although the building was only a few hundred meters away from his home, he still felt it was too dangerous to linger there.
“For the past three days they [Misrata militias] have been patrolling the area,” said Salah.
Salah said only foreign intervention can stop the fighting, referring to the US embassy’s evacuation in July. “When they [the US embassy staff] left, all it took was just a few jets in the air and not one bullet was fired – the militias fear them [foreign forces]” he said. Well Salah, you should ask the question if it wasn’t for the first intervention from NATO that you so much wanted and look at what it brought what makes you think that a second intervention will do? We will become another Iraq from your stupidity and ignorance.
“If they sent over a couple of F16s or whatever you CALL those jets they will run away,” said Salah, “you don’t even have to target them, just their weapons and ammunition.”
The state’s army and police forces are too weak to defeat the militias, he said. “But if you take away their heavy weapons, it would be different story.” You think?
The hope for democracy that many Libyans felt after Gaddafi’s ouster now seems in the distant past, and the political scene is in as much chaos as the security situation. Everybody is asking for Qaddafi to come back…
The Libya Dawn militias who took control of Tripoli are pushing for a reinstatement of the previous Islamist-controlled parliament – the General National Congress (GNC). The Libyan shitdawn may want Allah to come down to earth that doesn’t mean it will happen, The GNC was not recognized by the Libyan people.
However, a newly elected and anti-Islamist dominated parliament – the House of Representatives (HoR) – has been MEETING for a month in the Haftar – controlled city of Tobruk in Libya’s northeast.
The call for the GNC to be reinstated led to a statement from the HoR describing the Libya Dawn and its Islamist militia allies as terrorist organizations.
The UN has met with all sides of the political and military conflict, but has emphasised that it only recognises the HoR as the legitimate body in control of Libya. That’s a first!
With the HoR and GNC not listening to each other on the political front, and the Libya Dawn, Operation Dignity and other militias determined to stay their ground, it could be a while before Libya is stable again and until Salah – who is still looking for a way out of his country – can walk the streets of his neighbourhood safely again. What the journalist is saying here the other militias are the honourable Tribes which by the way all everybody has joined except the Misurati.
Video: American ambassador we have issued a statement of support for the House of Representatives and we recognise the legitimacy of the elections
Editors note: The woman not only she is arrogant but she doesn’t have a clue what is going on in Libya. The American foreign policy may recognise what ever they want but the fact is that the LIBYAN people do not recognise the House of Representatives. So for her to speak on the behalf of the extremist which her government recognise is absurd. She avoids calling Libya a failed state, if not a failed state then what is it? She has the audacity to talk about Qaddafi and saying after a dictatorship of 42 years its difficult to educate people to the WESTERN DICTATORSHIP oops sorry Democracy…. she avoids systematically to talk with the Honourable Tribes but talks with the Extremist War lords of Misurata and hold hands with them. Showing to us that AMERICA WANTS TO CREATE A CALIPHATE IN LIBYA. I will comment on each point of her interview.
Welcome Ambassador in this interview, let’s start with the latter to meet you, Mr. Prime Minister Abdullah Thani, which in turn met with leaders of AFRICOM, is this somehow reflects the support of the Government of the crease?
1 Ambassador Jones: Let me say that when he was Prime Minister Abdullah Thani here to participate in the African summit we held a series of meetings, not only with Africom and General Rodriguez, but also included national security adviser Susan Rice. It was at the crease because the opportunity is talking with the president at the dinner, and also met with Foreign Minister Kerry in this building. All of these discussions revolved around one axis, which is how the United States should support Libya? And help in building its institutions, especially the stability, security and support the government in order to secure its borders and to spread prosperity and support all the demands for which the Revolution, what revolution you mean the illegal war which you installed a puppet government? From what I know none of them gave any attention to Abduallah Thani he was just a puppet sitting in this summit doing sweet nothing.
2 President Obama himself spoke in an interview with the New York Times that the biggest failures in foreign policy is a failure to provide adequate support to build civil institutions, what can be done now?
Ambassador Jones: What he was referring to the president is the period that followed the overthrow of Gaddafi, and perhaps he should have done more, or if we can do more to help the Libyans to build the institutions of the state that they need. At that time I think there was tarry and slow to understand the reality and allow the transitional Governing Council to play a leading role. Perhaps because the Libyans lack of experience – we understand this, as well as our allies in the West and even the Libyans themselves – they understand the complexities of the challenges and the nature of the stage and the sharp division who was born after the revolution. All of this was the need to address. Well come to the conviction that there are gaps deep and sharply divided over the future of Libya, and these divisions need to resolve through dialogue and negotiation. You don’t say? When you entered illegally by bombing us and assisting the extremists what did you think that you would walk in Libya install a government and everything would be ok? When you decided to enter illegally did you have a plan? No. Did you ever think in contacting the Honourable Tribes? No. The only thing you believed are the 200 thousand people in exile that Libya was ready for change but your affiliates didn’t check the facts, they did not visit the country to see what your lackeys are telling you is false, nonetheless you invade the country with your trained extremists who are not Libyans and you have this mess which you are unable to clean… so butt out.
3 What can be submitted now of practical steps? Nothing
Ambassador Jones: Well, for civil society We have supported a number of programs aimed at training the Libyans and having them involved in the political process, but we understand that after forty-two or forty-three years of authoritarian rule, it is natural that the missing people for this kind of experience that we and others have, which are part of the political process in the United States. Let me say – as always remind the Libyan people – that democracy is not the end, it is not a paradise of Eden, it is a difficult passage corridor. In addition to all of these programs, of course, we assessed the security situation. It makes sense that the first thing we need is to build a fence around the garden so you can grow if we missed the fence it is easy for outsiders to enter the park and taking what they would like to, for this we need to build security services. I have spent a long time talking with the Prime Minister on this issue specifically. We talked together, how do we pay for these programs before, and build capabilities and capacities in Libya in order to stabilise the security? This process requires government action in addition to the role of civil society in a secure environment, and as you know there is a lot more that needs to be done in this regard. Out of the above they did nothing and no programs were available they were put on hold for 2015. Being arrogant is one thing, lying with a straight face shows that she and her country has no respect for the Libyan people.
4 Is Libya become a failed state? Yes
Ambassador Jones: I try to avoid using the term “failed state”, say it is a state in the process of growth, we issued a statement of support National Congress, which we now call the House of Representatives Sorry lady you must be living in another planet maybe Mars but not in this earth and not in this country called Libya. This support includes support for the committee writing the draft constitution, which is still working to accomplish, and we also know we have recognised the legitimacy (what legitimacy only 2% of the Libyans went to vote? again I beg the question are you taking drugs or are you living in another universe than ours?) of the elections and the need to support the Libyans to state institutions and participation in the political process. You can not win that did not participate in the elections. The profession of politics is difficult and harsh. For along with the military, without a doubt, this government was the first to recognise the difficulties facing the country, and they do not deny that a lot of the arrangements that have been taken in the wake of the revolution(really what revolution? the American revolution? because in Libya we did not see a revolution we saw an ILLEGAL TAKE OVER BY THE WEST) was temporary arrangements, such as allowing the proliferation of militias to provide security in those circumstances, but these arrangements have neglected the complexities arming rival militias and competing in the long run, which was fighting for the interests of the insurance, whether goods or commercial or ways to get to the airport, which was generating money for them, and this was the biggest challenge. Now we have to deprive (are you for real? deprive!??? the militias from their weapons? are you worried that the militias will ask for their money back while you will deprive them from their weapons? as your country is already bankrupt?) militias of their weapons, I do not mean necessarily stripped entirely of the weapon, as you know, the subject of carrying weapons in the United States is the subject of a polemic because of the constitutional rights that allow citizens to carry guns, has faced we have also problems with the militia at the birth of our nation, but is not entitled militias in Libya carrying Kalashnikovs, say that it must neutralize the militias and unify the weapons so you can play a positive role rather than playing the role of a messy or absurd, between militias led to harm to a lot of Libyans. But clearly there must be an immediate cease-fire so that we can address the political problems that are caused by the existence of the phenomenon of armed militias. You don’t say! You want to deprive them from their weapons but not all of it… so that you can use them again incase the puppet government does not do what you want…. really you think that all Libyans are so stupid….
5 Is Libya on the brink of civil war?
Ambassador Jones: I can not predict the unseen, because the events impose themselves, and if there is no framework to work through the strategy, it is easy to see how the events that are racing, and this leads to fragmentation and division in the absence of a strong central government. I say that the most important duties of the government, any government, in any place, whether in the United States or France or Egypt, to be able to create equal opportunities for citizens to share resources and revenue, and in the absence of these frameworks, the citizens would fight among themselves in the absence of power. Hence the appeal to the Libyan people, especially militias who are fighting now, to bow to the wishes and aspirations of the Libyan people, who clearly identified demands. They want a democratic process, want peace and do not aspire to control the militias on the state apparatus. Vital installations in need of protection by the central government, and should not be subject to the control of the militias, but the way to achieve this goal is not firing missiles at ports vital. And on the idea of targeting vital installations such as airports exposed to the risk of prosecution on charges of breach of international law, which prohibits the targeting of civil aviation lines, on Libyans to respect international law. Dear Lady under your orders the Misurati militias do what they do, they maybe take it a little far but that is you’re doing when you have an office in Misurata they ask for your permission together with the warlord tribe leader of Misurata. You and Misurata hate so much Tripoli that you will do anything to bring it to the ground just because we have defied you and take orders from our Honourable tribes WHO ARE UNITED AND THEY DON’T WANT YOU IN OUR COUNTRY. WHY DON’T YOU INFORM THE PUBLIC THAT THE HONOURABLE TRIBES DENIED YOU TO VISIT THEM? So to punish us you went along with Misurata, Al Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood and Ansar Sharia…. WE THE LIBYAN PEOPLE WILL DIE FIRST THAN ALLOW ANY AGGRESSOR GOVERN OUR COUNTRY, WE WILL NEVER ALLOW YOU TO MAKE LIBYA ANOTHER IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, SOMALIA OR A CALIPHATE OF EXTREMISTS SO THAT YOU CAN FORCE EUROPE TO GO TO WAR.
6 Ambassador Jones: If I could answer I’d be the next prime minister of Libya, but we talked with Ali Zeidan and others in the past, and we discussed the different ways of how to deal with this problem, and how to persuade the militias with this solution. As you know we have our own experience in this field. For example, we have the National Guard in the United States, and the Swiss National Guard there, where every soldier has a rifle in his home. Lady if we had a national Guard and every soldier had a rifle in his home its asking for trouble…. Just shows that you and your government have no clue about our country. My suggestion is that you pack up your bags and go home and let us Libyans CLEAN THE MESS YOU LEFT BEHIND.
Nadia Balbisi: But the Arab world is not Switzerland
Ambassador Jones: Yes, but people are people, and we must find ways to rehabilitate the militias and the creation of job opportunities for them and functions, and to make them responsible citizens under the sovereignty of the state, and this will not be by force. We are working with the Libyans and our partners in Britain, Italy and the Turks and the French also to build security institutions and the establishment of the army and the police are able to adjust the security of the state so that it can extend its sovereignty. The concept of sovereignty is that the state monopoly on military force. In modern times there are many models for this, but in a tribal society like Libya, there must be a compromise solution on the militias through agreement ensures delivered or placed under government control. Without doubt, the border should be monitored, as you know, to Libya a long border and there is no mechanism to monitor the whole, but allow this border entry of weapons like goods, and these are the challenges we face, we and our European partners, as we work to create a mechanism to control the border, and this will difficult and extraordinary challenge. NOW YOU ARE LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH…. NOTHING OF THE ABOVE HAS EVER HAPPENED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS…. AND I DO NOT THINK ITS GOING TO BEGIN NOW…. WE USED TO HAVE A SOVEREIGN NATION TILL YOU DECIDED TO DESTROY IT. WHAT DO YOUR PARTNERS KNOW ABOUT LIBYA NOTHING…. YOU CAN NOT REHABILITATE THE MILITIAS ONCE THEY HAVE SEEN THE POWER THEY HAVE IN THEIR HANDS… STEALING, RAPPING, KIDNAPPING AND KILLING…. ARE YOU KIDDING? THEY WILL NEVER GIVE UP WHEN THEY CAN COLLECT MILLIONS OF $ FOR ALL THE ABOVE…
7 Problem facing Libya is the smuggling of weapons across the border and access to armed jihadist groups in the Sinai, Mali, What help do you offer to those countries, especially Egypt
Ambassador Jones: Without a doubt our ancient relationship with Egypt dating back to decades-long. In fact, are more than decades, dating back to era of the American Civil War, where the army set up the first American military institute in Cairo, and I think that many people are unaware of this information. We have common interests, of course, the concerned collectively we share it with neighbors Libya about the risk of penetrating the border, where allowing terrorist movements to build bases and use Libya as a base for operations threatens through which the rest of the region, and we are working with the Europeans as well as to prevent breakthroughs across the border. Without a doubt, we believe the importance of maintaining a successful transition in Tunisia, for example, and believe in the need to maintain the security of Egypt, and all countries in the region, so we are discussing these matters with the Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs, when attending the African Summit. Assistant Secretary of State Anne Patterson held a meeting devoted to the neighbors of Libya, where they discussed this matter, and concern about the border issue. In fact, Foreign Minister Mohammed Abdulaziz provide ideas about security cooperation. Egypt, which play a political role also provided ideas and dubbed Operation Tunisia, where he was the first meeting there a few months ago. Without a doubt there is great concern about the situation in Libya, so we may see a multiplicity of paths and ideas, and even envoys in order to secure a cease-fire the first place, and this is a preliminary step, because we will not be able to negotiate or support institutions that Libya needs to support her as long as the security situation unstable. Personally, I will be traveling there. As you know we had to evacuate our embassy because of its geographical location near the areas of fighting. The headquarters of the interim will be in Malta, and from there I will go to Libya to numerous visits so that we can return permanently to the embassy in Tripoli, and in spite of this are still in constant contact, and I’m talking on a daily basis with the Libyan government and political leaders Libyans and members of civic organizations and ordinary citizens. I have 22 thousand people who follow me on Twitter and you can follow me under the name of Ambassador Debra. Yes right the 22 thousand people who are following you are dual citizens who told you and your government to invade Libya. As for the foreign minister of Libya he is a Muslim Brotherhood which is not accepted by the Libyan people so is the Prime Minister which his house in Tripoli was burned 2 days ago and he had to be displaced like everybody else…. You say you talk every day with the government which one? The one in Tobruk or the one that has been dismantled in Tripoli? or are you talking with the Misurata militia and you think they are they government now? Which political leaders? Do you mean the terrorist Abulhakim Belhaj? or the Muslim Brotherhood, Ansar Sharia, Al Qaeda or Daash? You will go back to Tripoli to what? your embassy has been burnt down by the Mesurati militia warlords that you believe are your friends. LADY YOU CAN NEVER BE FRIENDS WITH A LIBYAN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW BY NOW, WE SHOWED OUR APPRECIATION TOWARDS YOUR GOVERNMENT SINCE OUR FIRST INDEPENDENCE, THEN WITH KING IDRIS THAT HE PLANNED A REVOLUTION TO GET RID OF YOU BUT YOU CAUGHT IT IN TIME AND YOU INSTALLED QADDAFI WHICH IN RETURN HE KICKED YOUR ASSES OUT OF LIBYA WELL MOST OF IT YOU HAD ONLY ONE SMALL BASE IN CONNECTION WITH THE CIA. YOU STILL DIDNT GET YOUR LESSON SO YOU TRIED TO TOPPLE QADDAFI AND INSTALL AGAIN SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE OUTCOME WOULD BE… AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN FACING THE SAME PROBLEM. NOW YOU & YOUR GOVERNMENT TOGETHER WITH EUROPE THINK THAT YOU CAN TAME US….. WELL I AM SORRY TO INFORM YOU, THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN! WE ARE NOT THE IRAQI’S, AFGHANIS, SOMALIANS OR SUDANESE… OUR RACE AND TRIBES ARE A DIFFERENT KIND, WE HAVE BEEN HERE IN LIBYA LONGER THAN YOU HAVE BEEN AN EMPIRE…. WE HAVE OUTLIVED ALL EMPIRES WHO TRIED TO DESTROY US AND WE ARE STILL STANDING ALTHOUGH WE ARE A HANDFULL OF PEOPLE WE ARE ONE OF KIND…. AND VERY STUBBORN PEOPLE WHO DON’T GIVE A RATS ASS WHAT YOU THINK OF US. WE WILL DIE FIRST THAN ALLOW YOU TO COLONIZE US.
8 Is there a specific offer of military aid to Egypt or Tunisia?
Ambassador Jones: For military aid, as you know, we have signed a letter with the Prime Minister from which to train Libyan army and we do the training currently outside of Libya, and we have many other programs similar in order to enhance their abilities, and in order to meet the challenges of a special nature, such as the training of special units , and we have this program outside of Libya. I hope when the time comes and the security situation improves training process that we are inside Libya. For the border, which is more challenging and the reality of the European Union is leading in this area. Long border. United States also has experience of this, and are not necessarily successful. We understand the length of the border, as you know, we are fortunate for our border with Canada because the climate is cool, I’m joking, but if we went back to the subject of the Libyan border, there must be a clear strategy and cooperation between the Office of the Prime Minister and the ministers themselves and the House of Representatives, which reflects the wishes of the people. Absent such a strategy as long as we can not move forward, so we fully believe that it is necessary to move away from the fighting and focus on the game of politics and the democratic process and respect for the law, and more importantly, this is the path. Yes an agreement was signed with Zeidan who has resigned, yes the training took place in Bulgaria, but nothing came out of it. In case she has forgotten in America since Bush there are no borders between Canada and Mexico although they try to keep it under wraps. So she has no idea of our borders…… Even the Jamahiryia government had a problem with the borders…. so I am waiting to see how she is going to handle it….
9 Some people believe there is a similarity between the organization Daash in Iraq and Ansar al-Sharia in Libya, where the, United States considers them as terrorist organizations, will the United States be directed to air strikes in Libya as it did in Iraq?
Ambassador Jones: the risk that the mix of all these cases together. I want to say that what that in Iraq the Daash from killings and slaughter and terrorize civilians and minorities such as the Yezidis make defining the framework of our military mission in Iraq is clear, because of the danger posed by the organization on our representatives in the consulates and programs that support the Iraqis. I think that the announcement Daash stay succession requires attention internationally and regionally, and requires ordinary citizens to stand Bugehm, and the choice of frameworks governmental legal action through which a be based on respect for freedom of expression and political pluralism and security under the auspices of international law, or loyalty to the separatist movement is responsible says my loyalty is to the law only. I want to say that Ansar al-Sharia is different from Daash Without a doubt, we are categorized as a terrorist organization and there are those who disagree with us are in this category. I hate to repeat myself but! has she seen what the Ansar al Sharia has done lately and for that matter in the last 3 years? I know she & her government like them (it was the same group who protected the late Ambassador Stevens, just saying!) but that doesn’t mean that they are not similar to Daash which by the way we have them in Libya and are controlled by Abdulhakim Belhaj in case she has forgotten.
10. There are reports of the disappearance of planes from Libya and the possibility of their use by al-Qaeda in Morocco style attacks of September atheist in the neighbouring countries, what is the validity of these reports?
Ambassador Jones: I have not seen this report are you talking about, but the rockets fired on the eighteenth of August despite the fact that the Libyan army espoused We realize that the Libyan National Army does not possess such capabilities and are incorrect statements. I do not think that the rockets fired by the Libyans and the Libyan army, they lack the capabilities. We look closely at this matter seriously, because this kind of escalation will face escalating from the other side, and as we saw during the hours of the other side fired air-to-air on board the carts on residential areas, in fact, had not seen devastation like this even in the days of the revolution, did not suffer from before from casualties or damage, and there were dead perhaps five or six. Violence is not the solution. Sometimes I do not exclude the government’s need to respond to the military, but in this case, violence is not the solution. She must be taking something most probably her doctor prescribed her some uppers otherwise its incoherent in what she is talking about… they were not only 5 or 6 dead…. they were a lot more dead civilians and she does not want to confirm the fact that the MILITIAS WHO HAVE JOINED MISURATA HAVE MASSACRED A LOT OF CIVILIANS.
11 You had to vacate the embassy and go by road to the border to reach Tunisia, Tell us about the journey and whether you were afraid from any attack to the convoy subjected from the militia? Stupid question! they had the HAWKS from air there was no way anyone would dare attack them….
Ambassador Jones: Let me say that the closure of the embassy and evacuate staff, including the self hurts. We raised the flag just a month before the eviction process and we were on the verge of opening the consulate for the issuance of visas, but the security situation did not allow us. As you know, my responsibility first and last is to protect employees and the Americans working in Libya, has been contacted by many Americans who have not been able to go to the embassy because of the seriousness of the security situation around, so you must think of some other way to evacuate them. It was a process of traveling across the mainland interesting, and avoided the coastal roads. Tunisia has provided us with massive aid through the National Guard, and also there was an American fighter planes flown accompany us to make sure that were not exposed to any attack. In fact, some Libyans told me that the presence of accompanying aircraft is the solution I figured I laugh that we can not put the F 16-24 hours a day, there is an international law entails under the Vienna Convention, which allows us to protect our diplomatic missions, and this is what we have done. We hope for a quick return of Libya. Something that Ms Deboorah (that’s how the Tribe leaders call her),does not realise is we don’t care about any Convention or International law. Her country proved to us that there is no law or international law when it concerned the invasion of Libya in 2011, so why the heck should we care now….? At the time when we needed the Geneva convention, the international law for attacking a sovereign country they didn’t stand in our side on the contrary they stood by the illegal war and nobody talks about the Genocide that was done to the black Libyans. No Convention or international has condemned the war done to us in 2011. So why Libyans should care about the International laws and Conventions or whatever they want to call it….
12: Finally: When are you going back to Libya to resume your work?
I can not predict the full return of the embassy staff. For security reasons I can not quite set the date, but I can say that I will return to Libya, the onset of the next month, or perhaps sooner, and this promise. Don’t make promises you can not keep lady, it’s not that easy as you think.. you may have your F16 and your Hawks but we don’t care we can handle you one way or the other.
BREAKING Libyan Tribes Report Bombings Executed Against Extremist Militias
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